David James, one of the original co-founders of Citizens for Truth and President of the new organization Citizens for Action, is a familiar figure to the Gates-assassination research community (and one of its leading activists.) However, for the past few months he's purposefully left the stage of public attention, incubating the launch of his new organization after leaving Citizens for Truth in December, 2000. For the first time, DJ agreed to talk exclusively with BillGatesisDead.com about what he's working on, his departure from Citizens for Truth, and the state of affairs in the Gates-assassination research community.

David James at the Citizens for Truth conference

Jack Perdue: So when are you going to be ready to talk about some of this ON the record?

David James: You want to talk on the record? I'm ready.

JP: If you're pulling my chain, DJ, stop.

DJ: No, seriously. Want do you want to talk about?

JP: On the record?

DJ: Yes, Jack - on the record.

JP: Wow. OK ... (fumbling to active tape-recorder) ... You've been teasing us about this Gates-assassination organization you've founded, but everyone involved has been tight-lipped for months. What's the scoop?

DJ: After I left Citizens for Truth I decided my only option was to form a more aggressive pro-active organization. I never actually saw eye to eye with alot of the recent decisions that CfT was making. I mean....people within that group were more concerned about analyzing paperwork and making phone calls than with getting out there and making things happen. I wanted to form an organization that was going to shake a few trees, you know? Get out on the streets and begin to find the hard answers to the hard questions. So now I have Citizens for Action. I'm the president and I brought a few members with me out of CfT.

JP: By "shake a few trees" you mean taking more direct action than you did while in Citizens for Truth?

David James at the Democratic National Convention protest

DJ: Yes. Definitely. There was alot of unspoken tension within CfT between what the action team wanted to do and what the research team didn't want to do. I really felt this at times. That we didn't always have everybody on the same page. A one hundred percent team effort. Kind of like the football team with the number one offense that scores fifty points a game. But the defense is not good and gives up fifty a game. There's gonna be that tension in the locker room, you know? A good example of this is when we secured the spot at the DNC protest site. We had members of the group....not the action committee, my guys were always a go, but other members who got cold feet when the time came to commit to the protest. They had all sorts of excuses for not being able to take part. I mean, that's OK for the average Joe, but why join a group called Citizens for Truth if you're not willing to participate? Not willing to do what it takes to find the truth? But I gotta tell you...and this makes me feel good when I think about it now, the group of us who did take that stage came with an energy. With a purpose. We were all on the same page and I took alot of those same people who stood up there with me on to Citizens for Action.

JP: What did happen between you and Citizens for Truth in December? I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone on that.

DJ: The actual incident isn't really that important. I think it was just the culmination of alot of shit that was already there. People...and I mean this...people have a tendency to drift apart when many important decisions have to be made on an almost daily basis. And I believe that what happened was a natural metamorphosis. An evolution if you will. It was time for me to go and move on. Start something new and you've got to remember, me an...Debra and I had been pouring over every aspect of the assassination for a solid year. And it was always the two us sharing a perspective to a degree. It just came time for me to achieve a new perspective and one that would allow me a better chance of finding some answers to all of this.

JP: So what should we expect? More of what you did as Director of Action? DJ: More is the key word Jack. More action. More pressure. More answers. We want to take this thing to the streets and let people know that somebody has to be held accountable for what happened on December 2, 1999. One of our first agenda items is to get every sealed file unsealed and released to the public. And I've learned that you can't get that done by passing out fliers. You need to make the authorities and the powers that be feel as uncomfortable as possible. Take the fight directly to them. I'm talking about active nonviolent protest here, Jack. Are you there? Right now we're working on a couple things that are going to generate some serious media attention.

DJ provides instructions on guerilla stickering, from the Citizens for Truth website

JP: So you're still focused on the files as well?

DJ: Not completely. We're still researchers ourselves, of a sort. We believe the approach should be focused the same way a murder investigation would: identify the potential suspects that have motive or opportunity, and then investigate them until you find conclusive proof that they weren't involved. You shake some trees and see what falls out, and you search...or rather you follow each chain of evidence as far as your investigation can take you. Citizens for Truth can't get past their self-appointed role as gadflys of the Garcetti administration to even understand how to cultivate leads and develop sources.

JP: A reference to Julie Sarrano affair?

DJ: Not ready to go there yet, Jack. It's enough to say that I've already developed sources that Citizens for Truth wouldn't have had the energy or patience to establish, let alone embrace. There are sympathizers in surprising places.

JP: What do you mean?

DJ: Right now I'm in communication with an inside source. His name is "Raoul" and he's highly placed in the official Gates murder investigation team, someone intimate with the evidence and concerned how little has been revealed to the public. We have access to evidence that Citizens for Truth does not, and already have two investigations underway as a result of what they reveal. I just can't say more yet, Jack. But the website with the new evidence will be up in a few more weeks.

JP: What kind of evidence?

DJ: I told you don't...I'm not going to say yet, Jack, so don't push on this one. Citizens for Action isn't about advancing a single theory or one chain of evidence. Until evidence proves someone isn't involved, expect anyone with motive or opportunity to be a target of our campaign. This is a broad reaching effort, Jack.

JP: Can I ask you a sensitive question?

DJ: And what would that be?

JP: Let's say that you're someone who buys the official investigation ...

DJ: No one buys the official investigation.

JP: You're exaggerating. Well, OK, the majority of people might doubt parts of the report, but not everyone doubts that Alek ...

DJ: But that's a cop out, because they haven't seen all the ...

JP: OK, OK. I withdraw the point. Let's say you're someone like Debra Meagher who doesn't place much credence in some of the more energetic Gates-assassination researchers like Cooper Williams or Hictus. Does Citizens for Action's agenda place it on that radical fringe from their point of view?

DJ: Who knows. Maybe. No, definitely not. Let Citizens for Truth pour over the minutia and details if they want, but don't try to argue that we aren't on a search for the truth as well. We're just looking for it on the streets. Why shy away from any theory until you can disprove it? That's not the way researchers work. Let's think like scientists and eliminate the least likely conclusions to narrow the field. Eliminate the suspects one by one, and act out against the conspiracy. That's what the Gates-assassination community should be doing, but I don't think you'll see that coming out of Citizens for Truth.